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negusm wrote:The way things are setup, you travel around to get the best deal and then take it wherever is closer for service. Yeah, I can hear your groans from here...
I agree with Mike on this one. I always try to buy from my local dealer, and if they can't beat or come close to the deal that I can get elsewhere, I buy elsewhere. Just because I buy my car from a dealer 60 miles away doesn't mean that I have to take my car there for servicing. I use the local guy for that.

As for loyalty, there is no reason to have any. My local Ford and Dodge dealerships have each changed ownership in the last five years (for the worse), and the turnover in the sales and service departments is so great that I never see the same person twice.
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Failing Ford is in Johnstown NY. (Mohawk Valley)

Now, I don't know but I think it may have changed hands. The Father started it...his two sons were continuing to work it (one was salesman and one was the service manager).

It was to be passed on to the grandchildren and so forth.

But I have heard that a big $$ dealer came through the upstate buying every dealership at prices you couldn't refuse. Supposedly he was trying to make it so that you couldn't buy a car from anybody else within 50 miles. I think he may have purchased that dealership. So it may actually be gone now.

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"" But I have heard that a big $$ dealer came through the upstate buying every dealership at prices you couldn't refuse. Supposedly he was trying to make it so that you couldn't buy a car from anybody else within 50 miles. I think he may have purchased that dealership. So it may actually be gone now ""

THIS IS VERY COMMON OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS. SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM, I CANNOT ELABORTE ANY MORE REGARDING THIS.
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[quote="75coug"][quote="negusm"]The way things are setup, you travel around to get the best deal and then take it wherever is closer for service. Yeah, I can hear your groans from here...

I agree with Mike on this one. I always try to buy from my local dealer, and if they can't beat or come close to the deal that I can get elsewhere, I buy elsewhere. Just because I buy my car from a dealer 60 miles away doesn't mean that I have to take my car there for servicing. I use the local guy for that....[/quote/]

In our area, dealers make you return to your selling dealer for warrantee coverage, to avoid what you describe. It's against franchise laws to tell you flat out NO; but there are ways around that. Example: You come in today because your w'shield wipers don't work as they should. The service manager knows you didn't buy it there. He tells you we are very veryjammed up with our own service work on our own sales and the next opening for a satellite service customer is on November 17th.
A very polite GoodBye, go back to where you bought it.
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Sandy wrote:In our area, dealers make you return to your selling dealer for warrantee coverage, to avoid what you describe. It's against franchise laws to tell you flat out NO; but there are ways around that. Example: You come in today because your w'shield wipers don't work as they should. The service manager knows you didn't buy it there. He tells you we are very veryjammed up with our own service work on our own sales and the next opening for a satellite service customer is on November 17th.
A very polite GoodBye, go back to where you bought it.
Wow, I am amazed. I have never had such a problem, whether dealing with a Ford, Chevy, Dodge or other dealer.

That kind of nightmare fits into the stereotype that we Midwestern sorts have of the Northeast (mafia, unions, graft, corruption). I'm glad that we hicks aren't smart enough to run that kind of racket.
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75coug wrote:
Sandy wrote:In our area, dealers make you return to your selling dealer for warrantee coverage, to avoid what you describe. It's against franchise laws to tell you flat out NO; but there are ways around that. Example: You come in today because your w'shield wipers don't work as they should. The service manager knows you didn't buy it there. He tells you we are very veryjammed up with our own service work on our own sales and the next opening for a satellite service customer is on November 17th.
A very polite GoodBye, go back to where you bought it.
Wow, I am amazed. I have never had such a problem, whether dealing with a Ford, Chevy, Dodge or other dealer.

That kind of nightmare fits into the stereotype that we Midwestern sorts have of the Northeast (mafia, unions, graft, corruption). I'm glad that we hicks aren't smart enough to run that kind of racket.
I haven't had that problem yet either. However, I have heard in upstate NY (where that guy is buying up everything) it is becoming exactly that way. Didn't buy from us? Piss off. Good luck driving 50 miles to get it service.

Same thing in Ithaca NY area. Supposedly the same guy has bought up a lot of places and a friend of mine who has a VW HATES to take it in because he'll have to leave it for 2 or three days for some of the simplest stuff. The dealership just doesn't care because the next VW dealer is 50 miles away or something too.

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Oh, yeah, and if the guy at the parts desk asks if I bought my car there... I always say "yes" to get the 20% discount. They haven't checked yet.

Now when it goes in for service, that I can't lie about cause it pops right up on their screen.

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In heavily populated areas such as the coasts, Florida, Texas (certain areas) the long & the short of it is that service departments are bursting at the concrete. Ya figure IF the front sells 45 cars a month, that's 525 + a year. If 70% come for service, that's an add'l. 375 service customers every year and growing ..... it reachs a point of over saturation. So, you need to have to weed out local competitive buyers. For 3 years I also ran our service departemnt. Now, if you were "on the road" {vacation traveler} or had recently moved into out TRADE AREA and had trouble, I would go way way way outta my way to accommodate you and fix your car. But, if you LIVED IN TOWN, (the town the dealership was in) and you drove over the very next town or two .... to buy your Dodge, and then you didn't like their service, or you didn't wanna wait until next week which was when they gave you an appointment, and you thought we'd kick out one of OUR customers' cars in for service to fix yours....well guess again!! No Way Jose !!
But never ever tell a cstomer NO, just make the app. way off in the future.
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Bet ya in 5 guesses I could nail that guy's last name that's buying up everything up there! But I am not putting it here, in print. Is it 3 initials, the first one starting with the letter "D" ??
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Sandy wrote:Bet ya in 5 guesses I could nail that guy's last name that's buying up everything up there! But I am not putting it here, in print. Is it 3 initials, the first one starting with the letter "D" ??
I don't know but I could ask.

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Talked with my Dad, the guy buying up all the dealerships in the Mohawk Valley is "Fucillo". He owns all the Ford, Chevy and Chrystler dealerships from probably Utica to Albany....including the Failing Ford dealership I mentioned. The only one left as a hold out is "Browns" Ford.

From what my dad said, the reports are mixed. Some people have been treated better than before and some said they were treated worse.

I can attest that some of the dealerships thought they were big $hit and were pretty crappy towards their customers. Those probably got better with the changeover. The other ones that were super nice, probably got less personal.

Such is life.

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Nope, not who I thought.......

I have heard that name. He allready owns a mess of stores in that area.
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Sandy wrote:Omni(s) ... 'Ya, right ! $ 30.00 commission (GROSS) and the Omni customer was the poster-child for PITA! Only one worse was the first 2 to 3 years of the Minivan (Caravan) customers ! If I had ten bucks for everytime I folded and re-folded and removed & replaced those freakin' seats, I'd be a millionaire + Seats in - seats out & answer 1,001 question from the Mrs, while the little brats ran UNcontrolled all around the showroom bangin' into stuff, under the nose of a totaly oblivious Mother, who then wanted a DEMO ride and and and and finally a price. Followed by a "Thank You" - 2 days later ya call em up to see what's doing and they inform you that they bought it at Hickory dickery Dock Dodge for $27.88 cents less, but "Thank you for explaining it all to us" ~ ~

'Ya, the Caravan buyer ! Trading in a 185,000 mile VW Rabbit and wanting FULL retail value for it. Loved 'em ... 'Ya, Right !
I am all too familiar with that story and I have a similar one that basically was the “straw that broke the camels back” for my brief career as a car salesman.
A good friend of mine that I had went to high school with and was still in contact with on a regular basis walked into the dealership one day saying he wanted to buy a new Ranger STX 4X4. He had done his homework and knew the options well and wanted to know how much I would sell him one for.
He worked for a steel supply company and always gave me a deal on anything I needed and I proceeded to give him the best quote I could which I knew he wouldn’t be able to get anywhere around unless they made a “mistake” on their part. The dealership I worked for is a small one and our inventory was also small so we relied on dealer trades quite often to get the customer what they needed. They have been a family owned and run business since 1972 and are known in the area as a very honest dealership so dealer trading was never a problem to do.
Then I got a call from him saying that the “ABC” Ford dealer down the road had an STX truck he wanted on their lot and that they would sell it to him for several hundred less than what I would. I tried to convince him that they are making a “mistake” in their “math” (lying) and that I guarantee that when it comes down to it, they will say that they made a “mistake” and raise their price at the last minute. I told him that when they do that to do me a favor, get up and walk away.
A few days later I called to check up on him and he told me I was right, they did exactly what I said they would and in the end he paid $150 more that what I had quoted him. When I asked him why he didn’t just walk away when it was clear that to them that they had lied to him AND paid more that what he could have bought it from me for. His response was that they told him that I was lying to him too and that since I would have to either order the truck, or dealer trade for one, that I would have to charge extra for that and raise my price to meet their new one anyway. That was of course another lie because we never charged any extra fee to either order a vehicle or dealer trade for one.
Then he said, “Besides, they had a truck sitting on their lot that he could drive away that day.”

Anyway, that day changed my opinion of most people when it comes to buying a car and I decided that it wasn’t the business that I wanted to be in anymore.
I still think however that everyone should try their hand at being a car salesman for a living at least once in their lifetime, it would forever change the way that people treat car salesman and how they buy a car.

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BRENT: EXACTLY ! THANK YOU THANK YOU! YOU SEE THE ABSOLUTE WORST SIDE OF PEOPLE IN THE SHOWROOM. THEY THINK WE ARE BAD...BUT IN REALITY, IT'S THE BUYER THAT'S UNFAIR AND FORCES US TO BE LESS THAN CHOIR BOYS.

I LEFT THE BUSINESS BECAUSE I BEGAN TO HATE PEOPLE.

On my very last day, I get Mr. Wise @$$ in. He walks into the showroom and announces, "SO....what are ya giving away today?"

I asked him (and he was older than I) If that is how he acts in his doctor's office? He sorta kinda backtracked and got all niciee faced. so Okay, I began by sxtending my hand and saying "Welcome to Maplewood Dodge, my name is Mr. Block, how may I help you?

He retorts. "I want something for nuttin" ~ I walked away & went to the men's room for 10 minutes. When I came out Mr Wonderful was gone. He was MY last "UP" !!
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Even working as a lot attendant at dealer taught me all I ever wanted to know about how some dealers do business. All the stuff I overheard and saw going left a lasting impression. It was a year well spent.
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